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	<title>Comments on: Online Reporting to Parents using Google Docs: A Proposal Update</title>
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		<title>By: tbarrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>tbarrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ray - thanks for taking the time to comment. I can see the distinction you are making between the two types of information relayed to a parent. It wasn&#039;t my intention to make a simple system sound complex. We currently write written reports, this online version is covering our statutory obligation to report to parents, so it is still a report in many people&#039;s eyes. Not necessarily mine though.

If you look at some of the examples I have posted you will see that I fully recognise that making it available online provides a teacher with greater scope to share work - that is why I titled the &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhn2vcv5_335s7thmgf4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;examples&lt;/a&gt; on Google Docs &quot;Portfolio&quot; and not &quot;report&quot;.

I don&#039;t think I have &quot;clouded&quot; this process at all - Google Docs is a tool that is currently in place for all our students as part of Ed Apps, and so is an ideal platform to share a portfolio with parents and pupils. A simple solution for us. Even so, the desire to share children&#039;s successes and progress in learning in a better way was the starting point - not the tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ray &#8211; thanks for taking the time to comment. I can see the distinction you are making between the two types of information relayed to a parent. It wasn&#8217;t my intention to make a simple system sound complex. We currently write written reports, this online version is covering our statutory obligation to report to parents, so it is still a report in many people&#8217;s eyes. Not necessarily mine though.</p>
<p>If you look at some of the examples I have posted you will see that I fully recognise that making it available online provides a teacher with greater scope to share work &#8211; that is why I titled the <a href="http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhn2vcv5_335s7thmgf4" rel="nofollow">examples</a> on Google Docs &#8220;Portfolio&#8221; and not &#8220;report&#8221;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I have &#8220;clouded&#8221; this process at all &#8211; Google Docs is a tool that is currently in place for all our students as part of Ed Apps, and so is an ideal platform to share a portfolio with parents and pupils. A simple solution for us. Even so, the desire to share children&#8217;s successes and progress in learning in a better way was the starting point &#8211; not the tool.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Tolley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Tolley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, much against my nature, I held back from responding, assuming that other more-authoritative folk would chip in.  I think that your repeated use of the term &#039;report&#039; tends to reinforce the traditional concept of a written report - with all the implications of careful language, grammar, spellings etc along with all the usual hazards of making sure that the teacher really is writing about the correct child etc.

I don&#039;t see &#039;on-line reporting&#039; as anything of this nature.  If my car engine were to overheat I am sure that I would get a red light flashing or a simple message to check or drive more carefully.  On an F1 race-track a black flag would tell me to pull off into the pit-lane.    This is how I see on-line reporting - a flagging device that shows some sort of concern or commendation - without a long detailed explanation.

The practicality of this is relatively simple and need cause teachers no keyboard induced RSI.  Teachers are well used to entering marks and even short comments which are stored in real-time on the school&#039;s MIS.  These grades can be aggregated and displayed graphically in a simple and easy to understand way.  Some assessment tools, like SmatAssess do just this. These on-going results are then displayed whenever the child&#039;s parent/carer accesses this through their Remote Access facility.  Any obvious causes for concern are made obvious and indicate that parents should &#039;pull over into the pit lane&#039;.

The above simple system is in contrast to another area that you refer to and is best accommodated through an easy to use e-Portfolio system.  When displaying artefacts, possibly with the invitation for comment, the e-Portfolio is the best tool to manage the formative feedback and even repeated &#039;conversations&#039; without the need to clutter up the MIS.  This is where the progress in, say, handwriting or practical activity can be documented so much more naturally and, even, across different schools.

I fear that your starting point with Google Docs has possibly clouded what, in my mind, can be a very simple solution for teachers and parents alike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, much against my nature, I held back from responding, assuming that other more-authoritative folk would chip in.  I think that your repeated use of the term &#8216;report&#8217; tends to reinforce the traditional concept of a written report &#8211; with all the implications of careful language, grammar, spellings etc along with all the usual hazards of making sure that the teacher really is writing about the correct child etc.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see &#8216;on-line reporting&#8217; as anything of this nature.  If my car engine were to overheat I am sure that I would get a red light flashing or a simple message to check or drive more carefully.  On an F1 race-track a black flag would tell me to pull off into the pit-lane.    This is how I see on-line reporting &#8211; a flagging device that shows some sort of concern or commendation &#8211; without a long detailed explanation.</p>
<p>The practicality of this is relatively simple and need cause teachers no keyboard induced RSI.  Teachers are well used to entering marks and even short comments which are stored in real-time on the school&#8217;s MIS.  These grades can be aggregated and displayed graphically in a simple and easy to understand way.  Some assessment tools, like SmatAssess do just this. These on-going results are then displayed whenever the child&#8217;s parent/carer accesses this through their Remote Access facility.  Any obvious causes for concern are made obvious and indicate that parents should &#8216;pull over into the pit lane&#8217;.</p>
<p>The above simple system is in contrast to another area that you refer to and is best accommodated through an easy to use e-Portfolio system.  When displaying artefacts, possibly with the invitation for comment, the e-Portfolio is the best tool to manage the formative feedback and even repeated &#8216;conversations&#8217; without the need to clutter up the MIS.  This is where the progress in, say, handwriting or practical activity can be documented so much more naturally and, even, across different schools.</p>
<p>I fear that your starting point with Google Docs has possibly clouded what, in my mind, can be a very simple solution for teachers and parents alike.</p>
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		<title>By: Business and education: virtual connections - Hypergrid Business</title>
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		<dc:creator>Business and education: virtual connections - Hypergrid Business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Learn 4 Life &#187; Mapping what Education and Business can learn from each other on the Immersive Internet, Virtual Worlds and Social Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Learn 4 Life &#187; Mapping what Education and Business can learn from each other on the Immersive Internet, Virtual Worlds and Social Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Angie King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom, thank you for putting your ideas out there. I follow your thoughts here with great interest. I have been attempting to open parent-teacher communication with my Year 2 parents and have created a Moodle site in an attempt to showcase what happens during our day and begin some online dialogue. Here in NSW Australia, we currently report using the 6 areas of learning. The work load to do this would be considerable and becomes a whole other topic. Our school tends to thoroughly comment on English and Maths areas then be more topic orientated in the other Key Learning Areas that do tend to overlap at times. I think student reflection is vital but does it have to be for every subject. As this is ongoing, could it not be more I am confident in ..... I still need a little help with my .... and I would like to learn how to...... which would then generate a focus for the child for the next week, month? Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom, thank you for putting your ideas out there. I follow your thoughts here with great interest. I have been attempting to open parent-teacher communication with my Year 2 parents and have created a Moodle site in an attempt to showcase what happens during our day and begin some online dialogue. Here in NSW Australia, we currently report using the 6 areas of learning. The work load to do this would be considerable and becomes a whole other topic. Our school tends to thoroughly comment on English and Maths areas then be more topic orientated in the other Key Learning Areas that do tend to overlap at times. I think student reflection is vital but does it have to be for every subject. As this is ongoing, could it not be more I am confident in &#8230;.. I still need a little help with my &#8230;. and I would like to learn how to&#8230;&#8230; which would then generate a focus for the child for the next week, month? Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: tbarrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>tbarrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David thanks for the comment - the ePearl system looks interesting, thankyou for bringing that up. I thin kit is vital that these new opportunities generate new ways of working. Taking what we know is important and crucial in the realm of reporting to parents and making the most of the potential that is newly available.

IWB could do lots of old things in new ways but it was always the transformed learning experience that was important to me. For example not just doing handwriting on the IWB like any old blackboard or whiteboard - but transforming it through the use of notebook recording software and video playback of writing demonstrations. 

Much the same is needed here, something new. But we still have to ensure it is practical and manageable from the parents point of view. It has to build upon what we know is good not just completely reinvent. There has to be a fine balance and I hope over the summer I will be able to find it.

I would appreciate your thoughts on the overall structure of the report and what you would consider to work well in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David thanks for the comment &#8211; the ePearl system looks interesting, thankyou for bringing that up. I thin kit is vital that these new opportunities generate new ways of working. Taking what we know is important and crucial in the realm of reporting to parents and making the most of the potential that is newly available.</p>
<p>IWB could do lots of old things in new ways but it was always the transformed learning experience that was important to me. For example not just doing handwriting on the IWB like any old blackboard or whiteboard &#8211; but transforming it through the use of notebook recording software and video playback of writing demonstrations. </p>
<p>Much the same is needed here, something new. But we still have to ensure it is practical and manageable from the parents point of view. It has to build upon what we know is good not just completely reinvent. There has to be a fine balance and I hope over the summer I will be able to find it.</p>
<p>I would appreciate your thoughts on the overall structure of the report and what you would consider to work well in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: tbarrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>tbarrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes the Safe Harbour agreement is an important piece of legislation and strangely missing from BECTA guidance which gives an incomplete perspective on using these tools.

I am pleased you consider this post important and would appreciate your thoughts on the style and structure of the report itself.

Thanks for the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the Safe Harbour agreement is an important piece of legislation and strangely missing from BECTA guidance which gives an incomplete perspective on using these tools.</p>
<p>I am pleased you consider this post important and would appreciate your thoughts on the style and structure of the report itself.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: tbarrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>tbarrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jenny, I think the informal, regular feedback will be beneficial to all involved. It is not always possible to speak with parents all of the time and I hope this approach will help with that. Lots of people have said they have concerns about workload - but we will have to see about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jenny, I think the informal, regular feedback will be beneficial to all involved. It is not always possible to speak with parents all of the time and I hope this approach will help with that. Lots of people have said they have concerns about workload &#8211; but we will have to see about that.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gilmour</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gilmour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, 

Thanks for digging into the &quot;safe harbour&quot; topic. I&#039;ve been trampling about in that area, and what you&#039;ve learned is helpful to me.

You&#039;re right to be wary of computerising the existing batch reports system. New technologies, if we&#039;re not careful, are too often used simply to do the same things, but we need to think what new possibilities they enable.

I agree with your use of the term portfolio, and am struck by the way your re-thinking of reporting is starting to look very like &lt;a href=&quot;http://grover.concordia.ca/epearl/en/epearl.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ePearl&lt;/a&gt;, a system I learned about from &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/disel1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dan Isele&lt;/a&gt; when he visited earlier in the year, and which we&#039;re planning to try out. As you&#039;ll see from the site, ePearl starts not from a technical approach, say by aiming to build a VLE, but from what we know is pedagogically effective, and uses tech to support those effective activities. These include goal-setting, peer feedback and parental involvement, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, </p>
<p>Thanks for digging into the &#8220;safe harbour&#8221; topic. I&#8217;ve been trampling about in that area, and what you&#8217;ve learned is helpful to me.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right to be wary of computerising the existing batch reports system. New technologies, if we&#8217;re not careful, are too often used simply to do the same things, but we need to think what new possibilities they enable.</p>
<p>I agree with your use of the term portfolio, and am struck by the way your re-thinking of reporting is starting to look very like <a href="http://grover.concordia.ca/epearl/en/epearl.php" rel="nofollow">ePearl</a>, a system I learned about from <a href="http://twitter.com/disel1" rel="nofollow">Dan Isele</a> when he visited earlier in the year, and which we&#8217;re planning to try out. As you&#8217;ll see from the site, ePearl starts not from a technical approach, say by aiming to build a VLE, but from what we know is pedagogically effective, and uses tech to support those effective activities. These include goal-setting, peer feedback and parental involvement, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Belshaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Belshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, this is an extremely important post and one that I&#039;ll be sharing with lots of people! Your exploration of using Google Docs/Apps for a new version of reporting to parents is fantastic.

I really am rather buoyed by the &#039;Safe Harbour&#039; information you&#039;ve discovered and now my mind&#039;s buzzing with ideas.

Thanks Tom! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, this is an extremely important post and one that I&#8217;ll be sharing with lots of people! Your exploration of using Google Docs/Apps for a new version of reporting to parents is fantastic.</p>
<p>I really am rather buoyed by the &#8216;Safe Harbour&#8217; information you&#8217;ve discovered and now my mind&#8217;s buzzing with ideas.</p>
<p>Thanks Tom! <img src='http://tbarrett.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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